If you were born in the Census district it gets written up that way, number of lines. Polish surnames have really interesting meanings. It is also noteworthy that commercial ancestry search engines are using multiple records in different spelling variations for the same census record, for example Steines, Stennes and Staines. I am relying on digitised records for searching. But we don’t now whether they understood where the boundaries actually were and may have thought Islington was outside Middlesex for example. It is usually from the female side. I assume that his name was really Konijn and there are numerous Jewish Konijns who died in the holocaust. Philip is a direct forebear. We were under the impression that my husband’s King surname came from Koenig. I believe both families were from Germany/the Palatinate. The first marriage was on the 30th June 1800. Overall it lends more support to Weymouth as a reference to a place name of significance to Alice Vandebaize’s family Huguenot history but not necessarily on the Vandebaize side. As you can see in the article, De Jong is one of the most common Dutch names in the country. One is from his marriage to Alice Vandebaize in 1775 and the other is from his daughter Ann’s marriage to James Dwight in 1816 in St John, Hackney. Thank you, Yvette. Blonkerd is almost unknown as a surname as far as I can see, the only references I have found on Google is someone who died in the Netherlands in the 1800’s. This is because the ones chosen for the reference group are intensively analysed using correlation techniques. This ending is old and becoming very rare, and occurs almost exclusively as a suffix to native names. That is living and being born in Bethnal Green and then having to move away in this case Northwards for a variety of reasons including work wasn’t unheard of. These original publications are collector’s items today. Also what year do you have your James marrying Esther? All one has is a mystery man who died between the 1841 and 1851 census in Edward Street. Norway 47, France 40, Finland 26, Switzerland 17, Spain 13, Austria 13, Belgium 12 and further down the scale Portugal 1. Abe: The Dutch baby boy name “Abe” is said to have originated from Hebrew meaning “Father of Multitudes”. Their religious records are from the Reformed Church which could be either Dutch or German. So that might help if one were able to physically search for any other records in the Netherlands and Belgium archives using Baize or Baisé. On the other hand there is some information that is of use on your side and hopefully has sorted out a few quandaries. Furthermore marriages in adjacent years does not prove the Westfield family were acquainted with the Vandebaize family in the 1770s. People from Flanders spoke a Flemish version of Dutch. He was a basket maker but there are family stoties that he was a shipwrecked sailor. St Catharina Gasthuis Chapel is located in Breestraat, Leiden. Hi And this conclusion comes about after realising that not all the records exist or have survived and not all records are on the search system. Genealogist. If it were not for your post and for being able to use this website I doubt whether so much progress would have been made one one’s own effort and so what remains in common is the shared history. When these were manually transcribed it looks like the computer is applying this rule without thinking or knowing. All spelling variations mean stone in English and in old Norse it is Stienne. A doubting Thomas might say however the latest information is coincidental. The ‘Y’ indicates whether the person was born in the county in which they are currently residing i.e. Bird is the English word for “vogel.” It also sounds like the uncommon Dutch name “Baard.” Since people were so creative with finding new variations of their names, it is hard to rule any ethnicity in or out based on an English-sounding name alone. So either the St Pancras family in the 1841 are my ancestors and son George has engaged in some slight poetic listening when he got married in 1857 and afterwards or they are not my ancestors. Thankyou for finding and flushing out some vital clues. I appreciate the reply. Whilst no match arose out of it, it was subsequently realised that this type of outcome can occur either way but the odds were stacked against it. When it comes to Cousin matching the test houses do not report on any autosomal matches beyond 6 levels. I realize that illiteracy and the language barrier resulted in many surnames being changed – some into different variations even in the same generation. They can tell us much about our Dutch ancestors, their lives, their families, and even their personalities. I love all this stuff! Hi Tamie, Usage: Language + Letters. So a negative result in our case certainly does not rule out an ancestral lineage. As a Dutch person it can be quite the challenge to figure out as well, I admire your work! Gouswaert is German but depending on the spelling it translates into Gold Sword or Gold Worth. If not the UK 1841 census will simply state the other birth place in one line. Second Batch Butterworth 13, Westfield 0, Hodges 32. Hope this is positive news. We found one missing family changed their linage to Hesselink in Wisconsin. There is no birth record coming up for Benjamin Staines although he is clearly part of this wider family. Alice Westfield’s parents are John Westfield and Alice Hodges. And the only remaining family for John in the 18th century in Middlesex is that of John Staines and Alice Vandebaize. Do you see a lot of Dutch people emigrating to England in the 1500s? This is only a guess because no record is coming up on the system. What it boils down to are two contenders for the parents of John Staines b1804, weaver who married Alice and then as widower Charlotte Butterworth. There are no signatures recorded in this register but thanks to Adam Osborn’s help it was ascertained that John at his second marriage to Charlotte Butterworth was a widow. Do you have contemporary sources to confirm that or is it a family story? II its one of the oldest family’s from the isle of IJsselmonde, I search my family about 70 years there are 6 different clan’s van der Jagt, my genealogy have on the moment over 80.000 persons from the Netherlands and all over the world, in the USA you will find descendants names in 6 different ways of writing. The marriage of James Staines b 1804 Middlesex in 1831 in St Mary Islington to Hetty (Hester) Pond b 1805-1806 Iver, Buckinghamshire locates one’s ancestry closer to two groups of silk weaving Staines. This Census record does not therefore connect upstream to the Huguenot Vandebaize side. Choosing one of the popular meaningful Dutch boy names for the baby boy will ensure respect and friendliness by his friends and society. In comparing these signatures one has to try to recreate the hand movements involved. I know that the banishing of Huguenots is a deep subject and caused a migration crisis in it’s time. I used My Heritage for the autosomal test, which does allow for an upload of other autosomal files and this might provide a different or more segregated ethnicity profile for comparison for your own benefit. On the other hand there are a number of Staines from different areas with different Huguenot histories from different time periods associated with that area who do look to be descended from Vandersteen weavers in the Spanish Netherlands. The possibility that there could be three parents providing records over this period, each with parents names John Staines and Alice is daunting although it was not unusual for any couple to bear 16 births but over a shorter time span. Looking for Dutch names? James’s brother Thomas was a silk weaver. On the marriage certificate James (b1801-1805 on census) occupation is a Butcher. In 1880 Alice is living with daughter Sylvia in New York, USA. A group of them in Limburg. I’ve been told two versions: one that they were English “Lesters” and Luyster is the Dutch version for records etc…or that they were Dutch “Luysters” but my branch anglicized it to Lester…Is there any to determine which explanation that may be? I would be very grateful for any guidance before. And that is because there isn’t any confidence in the result. It’s some way from Shoreditch, but it would depend on the nature of his illness or disease for isolation and there is no other GRO death record using any surname variation for the period 1841-1851. There is a marriage of a John Staines and Alice Westfield in St George the Martyr in 1800, interestingly there appears to be no children to this couple in this parish after the marriage. Hello, my GGGrandfather Jon Rodemark / RODEMARKER born between 1806-1812 came to England between 1840-1850 and settled, he gave his birth place as South Lembritcht, Holland. Thank you for your time and whatever help you can provide. But then Silk Weaving was well on the way out. So this Census record is an unreliable indicator of where James the Head was born in Middlesex. With such an unusual name, there were few in America, even today. In addition to relocating to England and USA, they may well have emigrated to Netherlands…Yvette would probably know…Jerri. In my case for example the letter t would be crossed first and then the curved bottom of the t seamlessly joined to the next letter to form a continuous string of lower case letters. Do you need a genealogist in the Netherlands to help you with your research? Among early settlers in Maryland, Virginia, Delaware USA is Nicholas America, 1680. Who were his lparente, there, – and descendants over here. But none has surfaced to date. There are also different inheritance factors depending in what part of the DNA string one is referring to. It shows how tracing root names can be very problematic. The use of the word Huguenot first arises in England in 1560 and was thereafter broadly applied to anyone who was a “stranger” and followed Jean Cauvin’s teachings. It has become apparent that a quite few are building trees as numbers game and without any regard to the bona fides of what is being attached to these trees. Is it De Groot like “boat” or like “oot” like in the word “loot” This has been a big deal to our family. This could be interpreted a number of ways because Middlesex is recorded as a London address on the Census. Greetings from The Netherlands, Thank you for clarifying the correct spelling of our name. I’m not really sure what I’m looking to find but was wondering if you had any insight into the meaning or where it came from. However, we can be traced back to Zuid Holland (Sliedrecht/Dordrecht) late 18th/early 19th century. They are usually a given name or a (part of a) surname combined with a Latin or Greek ending. However because of the chance of missing records this does not rule this more likely possibility out. To answer Jill Murray’s earlier query: I compared John Staines signatures for 1800 and 1819 marriages. Their craft is adding value to plain cloth and/or dying thread for use in a factory. Find out how surnames are ranked in popularity, how many people in the United States of America bear a particular name, and how the statistics change between 1990 and 2000 US Censuses. I have ancestors that emigrated to upstate New York long before our Revolutionary War, although I am not sure if they were Dutch or German. The Kingdom of Navarre, which is seldom mentioned, may also play a considerable part in this story. There are two deaths for James Staines in Saint Pancras d1843 &1844. Virgil. I searched for all names starting with “Run” in the Family Names database and found no names that look similar. And then again it might no but all one can do is try out what ever is available. I am 8 generations away and think you are too. If they are from Limburg, if my suggestion about Limbrecht is correct, they would most likely have been Catholic. This census clearly was not filled out the way it was supposed to be filled out with respect to ages. For my part it has taken a number of years to get this point. The latter in French sounds the same when pronounced at Baize in English or is very close. I know that my family came from the Netherlands, but I don’t have any documents or any info but my name. At this stage and after more record searching it is apparent that one cannot prove my ancestor John Staines lived in Edward St, or that he married again as a widow to Charlotte Butterworth or that his first wife Alice died between 1815 and 1819. It is presumed Alice 1801 and John 1802 in the second group did not survive early childhood. I, too have a German Palatine ancestor named Winegar…however in 1790 census and other earlier records in New York it is written as Vinegar which is apparently how it was heard by person writing it down…, I had an aunt (by marriage) who grew up in a German speaking community and she pronounced the letter ‘v’ as a ‘w’ when, and visa versa, when it was the first letter in any word — including my name as Wirgil. This Church is about 2000 yards South-South East of St Matthews. In all probability anyone silk weaving in Bethnal Green with an 18th century footprint will be socialising with, living with, working with and intermarrying with Huguenot families or descendants. Hi Susan, Charlotte has already shown a propensity to colour in the truth because she isn’t all that happy with the image projected by their age difference. There is a death record for John Stains in St Leonards in Nov 1843 age 66 which would match John W Staines b April 1777. She may well have thought this was his Birth date, that is the one he provided her with or led her to believe. And so while the term French Huguenot is used more broadly Dutch Walloons speaking old French and dispersed since 1520 should be distinguished as a separate group with a number of common threads. But beyond that there are a couple of possibilities with more factors pointing to John Staines b 1780-1781 than John Weymouth Staines b 1777. Any help you could provide would be fantastic. Usually, the original farm kept the regular name. But I would be very surprised if you can manage the guttural Gr-sound , I Wasn’t on the edge of my seat for long.My husband is so happy to know that we are teaching our children the correct way to say our name. This ancestry belongs to one or other Silk Weaving Staines families. In the 1861 Census Mary is 10 but Hester is saying she is a bit younger and has lodgings with someone who presumably is able to look after her and is of a similar age. Tiredness is setting in. “DeVries” was probably “De Vries” originally. You have done so much and provided an unbelievable amount of information and help. George Thomas Staines would be 21 years of age in June 1857 and so this is a match. It suggests the root name in English is more like Baize or perhaps Baisé. You can order PDF versions of the birth certificates online from the website- http://www.gro.gov.uk. Supposedly they were migrating there from Ireland. This triangle covers all three families of John Edward and Benjamin in this time period and put all three in close proximity to one another. Many families were in the US for a long time before the De Groot name became so popular in the Netherlands, so I don’t think that has a large effect. The surviving boys George and Henry are not recorded. Could that be a version of Pieck? Meanings and Origins of Male Dutch Names. The elusive John Weymouth Staines A further witness is recorded as Nassar Baissier. So modern borders don’t really tell you nearly enough. Examples of surname changes in my family include: The name Van de Luijster is, but it is very rare. St Mary in Islington is a most remarkable Church building, way ahead of its time and a long way from Iver. In addition I have found there are at least four old French dialects in the South of France. It suggests John Staines the weaver and Alice Westfield are the parents of what I think is a second group, first born in 1801-1815. Frequency: 25,419 people in 2007; 17,553 in 1947 A Dutch occupational surname for a brewer of beer or ale, from the Middle Dutch brouwer. By way of a contrast, her standards as a mother stand head and shoulders over the moral insanity inflicted upon others by the likes of the Plantaganets and the Tudors. When Napoleon and the French occupied the Netherlands, they required the Dutch to create surnames for taxation and census purposes. But the unique link between a father James, a son George and a mother first letter E (quite possibly Esther) and the only census record coming up does suggest it is him. The G is extremely difficult to pronounce for English speakers (think about Americans say Van GOOO instead of Van goghhhhhhhhhh).If you really wanna learn how to pronounce it. It requires access to good quality water and good heating facilities. It was then occupied by the Dutch from later in 1708-1713 and then ceded to France in 1713 by the Treaty of Utrecht. 2 very different meanings. The witnesses are in the main extended family. The one he published in 1576 some 16 years after the Amboise plot provides the most accurate and reliable account of the origin of the Huguenot tag. That is better but still on the young side for the groom. It looks like initial control groups have been analysed and halopgroups associated with a geographical region have been identified and used by various labs in their computer programs as algorithms. Demand for their skills was very high in places like London. The Red Cross of St George was first used as Battle Standard and the V for victory sign used by Winston Churchill dates to back to this very event on the steps of the earlier church building. I have seen many men’s names with a ‘sz’ on the end, I haven’t found any on my family’s side. A marriage record for James & Esther would help raise one’s confidence and point to the rest of this family upstream. Place of birth Iver, Buckinghanshire, which is west of Middlesex County. No corresponding names in the Netherlands or Belgium have been found. The patriotic theme is also evident in St Pancras for example James, George and Henry. So if you could see a way to using the My Heritage ethnicity estimate with your file that would help toward clearing up this one aspect up from my side. I suggest you order this birth certificate to give you more information. Three baptisms have been found: John James bapt 3 Jun 1832 St Mary Islington born 2 Apr 1832 I cannot say with certainty that this is my ancestry but it looks like if it were I would not be connected to the Vandebaize family. I have also uploaded my DNA results on MyHeritage and would be ready in 5-7 days. It was important to me to establish this ancestry for a number of reasons. Visitors since 2006 It gives a place of birth as Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, parents Andrew and Anna Van der Bleck. On the marriage entry for Alice and John Staines, Charles Vandebaize is a witness and signed. It also implies John Weymouth Staines married another Alice say 1797 to 1800 when he would be 20-23 years of age. There is also no information available about John Staines’s parents or mother or Martha’s parents or mother. The common connection on the Staines side appears to be weaving. This is a very interesting subject. There is another contender for the father of John Staines b1804 and looks to have a stronger foothold. Prefixes often get stuck to the name: ten Pas becomes Tenpas, de Jong becomes Dejong. The Liagre family are also witnesses and there is a marriage to Le Baiseur and elsewhere recorded as Baiseur and may therefore present a further spelling variation. There is a birth record for John April 1777 (different day) in Buckinghamshire to John and Sarah under the name Stains whilst at least one sibling is transcribed under the name Staines. I’ll copy and paste a list I made of the ancestory just with first names of Stynmets. Getting confidence with this is the most worthwhile outcome. Thanks for any help you can give me. The last name is now Conine but was konijn before it got changed in 1600’s when first arrived. A patronymic name was the practice of calling a person “son of” or “daughter of” their father. Coincidently I had ordered a kit back in November 2018. It is not only property, and lives but heritage, history and records that go up in smoke. I am a Peake descendant. That should give you an indication of whether he was from the Netherlands or not. My maiden name was Staines, and in my father’s family the eldest son carried the middle name of Vandebaize for many generations. These Street names have changed but no list of changed names accounted for Anglesea St. He was schout fiscaal under Stuyvesant, whatever that means. At the same time I had my motherline and fatherline DNA tested, my fatherline was distinctly Scandanavian. I’m back tracking down another side of the family. This seems to rule her out as a coincidental record and unrelated. There will be something there across branches of the same family but detecting that something with today’s techniques and proving which ancestor it actually came from is beyond the realms of possibility when going back to GGGGG Grandparent. Others stayed in the Netherlands. So I doubt that it is a Dutch name. For Jill or Adam Osben one could simply do a page search on 2020 to find them. Huguenots were Nobles, Doctors, Lawyers, Historians, Intellectuals, Craftsman and Artisans and loyal to the Crown. On the other hand it seems unlikely that two parent Alices would be the same however or that one mother could bear children up to the age of 61. Firstly there are 13 DNA autosomal matches for the name Butterworth not 34. Without any other form of corroborative evidence where James Staines b 1804 actually comes from it remains an open question from my side. I see St Mary Islington had to be rebuilt after 1940 and accounts for the more modern features, which are different from the original ones from an old photograph. After the marriage John Staines and Alice Westfield’s children were all baptised in St Leonards until after 1806. So overall and despite the law of averages pointing to John Weymouth Staines because of the more usual age difference it does not appear to be lining up all that well with the above. John Staines and Alice Vandebaize chose to be married on 23rd April 1775 in St Dunstan Stepney, which is described as the Mother Church for the East of London. Roerdinkveldboom was one of the cottages belonging to the Roerdink farm in Winterswijk. Thus none of the above is exceptional or out of the ordinary. The defining moment came on 18 August 1811 when Napoleon Boneparte — whose French army were occupying the Netherlands — signed a decree establishing a registry of births, deaths and marriages. My last name has an UY-sound too. 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